Western Civilisation was and is superior to anything Islam has developed. Islam has not aided in the development of the modern world; in fact civilisation has only been created in spite of Islam. Raising the alarm about the paganism called 'Submission' since 2000.
15 % of this Sura preaches violence, hate and war against non-Moslems.
216: Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
Sura 2 'The Heifer' is the longest Sura and conforms to the standard Koranic chapter in theme and intent. 'The Heifer' is referenced part way into the Sura as a male bull or cow to be sacrificed in a halal or 'clean' fashion. The laws of Moslem food preparation thus imitate those of far more ancient Jewish practices. Indeed Sura 2 reads like an Old Testament chapter setting out laws, do's and do not's, and approved rituals. Much of the Koran is copied of course from Judaic and Christian texts, with falsities, lies, distortions and egregious mistakes suffusing the plagiarized and stolen canons.
The most remarkable aspect of Sura 2 is however, its violence against non-Moslems. There are 286 verses in this chapter and fully 15% or 44 verses discuss violence, hatred and war against non-Moslems. This is rather disconcerting to those who fervently believe that Islam is love and hope. The Manichean quality of this Sura is however, entirely consistent with the Koran as a whole in which 10% or more of the book discusses Hellfire for Infidels and another 10% or more adjures violence and war against non-Moslems. Another 30 % is anti-Semitic. The Infidel seems to be the most important preoccupation for Muhammad and his cult – or rather the destruction of the Infidel either in this life or in the next.
Sura 2 the longest chapter in the Koran, stokes supremacist and even racist hate against the non-Moslem. Cults must of course demonize the 'other'. The Koran uses words such as mushrikun, zalimun, fasiqun, mufsidun, and musrifun; or criminal, unclean, hypocrites, evil, wrong-doers, satanic and other appellations to cleave the world into 2 camps. The good people of this world are with Muhammad [or the ilah or 'one' which is the same as Muhammad]. The bad people are the criminals, the polytheists, the Jews, the Christians and those who reject the Allah cult. These 'stupid', 'blind' and 'greedy' people are categorized under various names, labels and unsavoury descriptions and warred against.
Sura 2's 44 verses of violence against the Unbeliever are given below. This is 15 % of the text and there can be no mistake, no 'mistranslation', no 'relativity' in what they promote. The corpus of these verses is slanderous, vicious, and incites Moslems to murder or at least ostracize those who are 'Unbelievers'. The Koran is clear – follow Muhammad or pay a price in this life and in the afterlife when the 'unclean' unbelieving non-Moslem enters the 'hellfire'. Sura 2's violence can be summarized in 4 parts; 1) War against the hated Infidel; 2) Hellfire is their ultimate destination because, 3) Allah hates the Unbelievers and 4) They are dumb, stupid, ignorant, greedy.....[bold and notes are mine].
1) War against them: 9 verses
190: And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.
Note: This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)]. 'Transgress' is hard to delineate since if you keep reading below there seems to be very few 'limits' to fighting and killing the Unbeliever.....
191: And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
193: And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
216: Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
217: They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islamic calendar). Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with Allah is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allah, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah), and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islamic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."
218: Verily, those who have believed, and those who have emigrated (for Allah's Religion) and have striven hard in the Way of Allah, all these hope for Allah's Mercy. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most-Merciful.
244: And fight in the Way of Allah and know that Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
246: Have you not thought about the group of the Children of Israel after (the time of) Musa (Moses)? When they said to a Prophet of theirs, "Appoint for us a king and we will fight in Allah's Way." He said, "Would you then refrain from fighting, if fighting was prescribed for you?" They said, "Why should we not fight in Allah's Way while we have been driven out of our homes and our children (families have been taken as captives)?" But when fighting was ordered for them, they turned away, all except a few of them. And Allah is All-Aware of the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).
Note: This might reference self-defence, but the main point is that when Allah tells you to fight, you must, and if you make excuses or 'turn away', you are a Zalimun or wrong-doer.
249: Then when Talut (Saul) set out with the army, he said: "Verily! Allah will try you by a river. So whoever drinks thereof, he is not of me, and whoever tastes it not, he is of me, except him who takes (thereof) in the hollow of his hand." Yet, they drank thereof, all, except a few of them. So when he had crossed it (the river), he and those who believed with him, they said: "We have no power this day against Jalut (Goliath) and his hosts." But those who knew with certainty that they were to meet their Lord, said: "How often a small group overcame a mighty host by Allah's Leave?" And Allah is with As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.).
Note: Allah will support those who fight on his behalf no matter how weak they might appear to be versus their enemies. The above verse pillages the story of David and Goliath to link the Muhammadan struggle with a battle between the ancient Hebrews and Philistines some 1650 years earlier.
2) Hellfire is where the Unbelievers will end up: 12 verses
39: But those who disbelieve and belie Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) such are the dwellers of the Fire, they shall abide therein forever.
81: Yes! Whosoever earns evil and his sin has surrounded him, they are dwellers of the Fire (i.e. Hell); they will dwell therein forever.
85: After this, it is you who kill one another and drive out a party of you from their homes, assist (their enemies) against them, in sin and transgression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their expulsion was forbidden to you. Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
104: O you who believe! Say not (to the Messenger Peace be upon him) Ra'ina but say Unzurna (Do make us understand) and hear. And for the disbelievers there is a painful torment. (See Verse 4:46)
126: And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord, make this city (Makkah) a place of security and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day." He (Allah) answered: "As for him who disbelieves, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the torment of the Fire, and worst indeed is that destination!"
162: They will abide therein (under the curse in Hell), their punishment will neither be lightened, nor will they be reprieved.
167: And those who followed will say: "If only we had one more chance to return (to the worldly life), we would disown (declare ourselves as innocent from) them as they have disowned (declared themselves as innocent from) us." Thus Allah will show them their deeds as regrets for them. And they will never get out of the Fire.
174: Verily, those who conceal what Allah has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. Allah will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment.
175: Those are they who have purchased error at the price of Guidance, and torment at the price of Forgiveness. So how bold they are (for evil deeds which will push them) to the Fire.
206: And when it is said to him, "Fear Allah", he is led by arrogance to (more) crime. So enough for him is Hell, and worst indeed is that place to rest!
211: Ask the Children of Israel how many clear Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) We gave them. And whoever changes Allah's Favour after it had come to him, [e.g. renounces the Religion of Allah (Islam) and accepts Kufr (disbelief),] then surely, Allah is Severe in punishment.
257: Allah is the Wali (Protector or Guardian) of those who believe. He brings them out from darkness into light. But as for those who disbelieve, their Auliya (supporters and helpers) are Taghut [false deities and false leaders, etc.], they bring them out from light into darkness. Those are the dwellers of the Fire, and they will abide therein forever.
3) Allah controls and hates the Unbelievers – especially Jews: 15 verses
7: Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allah's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.
Note: 'They' or theirs means Unbelievers.
10: In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allah has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.
19: Or like a rainstorm from the sky, wherein is darkness, thunder, and lightning. They thrust their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunderclap for fear of death. But Allah ever encompasses the disbelievers (i.e. Allah will gather them all together).
Note: He gathers them together for punishment on the Day of Judgement.
20: The lightning almost snatches away their sight, whenever it flashes for them, they walk therein, and when darkness covers them, they stand still. And if Allah willed, He could have taken away their hearing and their sight. Certainly, Allah has power over all things.
Note: Allah is the only free-will force in the Universe, he controls all including Unbelievers.
24: But if you do it not, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.
88: And they say, "Our hearts are wrapped (i.e. do not hear or understand Allah's Word)." Nay, Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so little is that which they believe.
89: And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers.
90: How bad is that for which they have sold their ownselves, that they should disbelieve in that which Allah has revealed (the Qur'an), grudging that Allah should reveal of His Grace unto whom He will of His slaves. So they have drawn on themselves wrath upon wrath. And for the disbelievers, there is disgracing torment.
98: "Whoever is an enemy to Allah, His Angels, His Messengers, Jibrael (Gabriel) and Mikael (Michael), then verily, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers."
100: Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throw it aside? Nay! the truth is most of them believe not.
134: That was a nation who has passed away. They shall receive the reward of what they earned and you of what you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do.
159: Verily, those who conceal the clear proofs, evidences and the guidance, which We have sent down, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, they are the ones cursed by Allah and cursed by the cursers.
161: Verily, those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers, it is they on whom is the Curse of Allah and of the angels and of mankind, combined.
176: That is because Allah has sent down the Book (the Qur'an) in truth. And verily, those who disputed as regards the Book are far away in opposition.
276: Allah will destroy Riba (usury) and will give increase for Sadaqat (deeds of charity, alms, etc.) And Allah likes not the disbelievers, sinners.
Note: Jews were of course the most prolific of money lenders with interest.
4) Unbelievers are dumb, stupid, ignorant, greedy....:8 verses
15: Allah mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doings to wander blindly.
Note: What 'God' or 'one' mocks a human if not to demonize them and punish them?
18: They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).
Note: They are Jews, Christians and pagans.
65: And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday). We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected."
Note: This references the Jews.
96: And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who - ascribe partners to Allah (and do not believe in Resurrection - Magians, pagans, and idolaters, etc.). Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
171: And the example of those who disbelieve, is as that of him who shouts to the (flock of sheep) that hears nothing but calls and cries. (They are) deaf, dumb and blind. So they do not understand.
208: O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islam (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islamic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Shaitan (Satan). Verily! He is to you a plain enemy.
Note: throughout the Koran, Jews and Christians are linked to Shaitan and the demonic rejection of Koranic truth and Allah ordained 'veracity'.
221: And do not marry Al-Mushrikat (idolatresses, etc.) till they believe (worship Allah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress, etc.), even though she pleases you. And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikun till they believe (in Allah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater, etc.), even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikun) invite you to the Fire, but Allah invites (you) to Paradise and Forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember.
Note: A classic cult prescription and prohibition – only 'believing' women are 'clean' enough to marry. Infidel women can of course be raped, sold into slavery, used etc.
275: Those who eat Riba (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitan (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: "Trading is only like Riba (usury)," whereas Allah has permitted trading and forbidden Riba (usury). So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Riba (usury) shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allah (to judge); but whoever returns [to Riba (usury)], such are the dwellers of the Fire - they will abide therein.
Note: Jews were of course a primary source of lending with interest – greedy and rapacious.
There is lots of compulsion within Islam and Sura 2. 44 verses make the following clear. The Jews and Christians are inferior to Moslems. Unbelievers are in league with Satan, blind, greedy and stupid. Due to this Moslems can kill them. Allah wants Moslems to war against the Unbelievers and destroy them since they are sinners and a threat to the Allah cult. Even if Moslems do not kill the Unbelievers, all unclean sinners and criminal polytheists will burn in hellfire on Judgement Day. If Moslems turn away from their duty they will be viewed as part of Al-Mushrikun or an idolator. They will thus be punished. Allah can do this since Allah knows all and Allah is acquainted with everything which transpires in the material and spiritual realms. The 'good' humans and those destined for paradise are therefore those who simply follow the Allah cult and its creed.....This is the main message of the Moslem cult. A religion this is not.
Consider this hate speech and vitriol against Jews and
Christians who are called Abu Jahl (disbelievers) and Al Mushrikun (criminals),
in Mein Koran:
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Those who disbelieve from
among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among
Al-Mushrikun, were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to
them clear evidence. |
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And the people of the
Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them
clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and whatever was
revealed to him). |
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And they were commanded
not, but that they should worship Allah, and worship none but Him Alone
(abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform As-Salat
(Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat: and that is the right religion. |
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Verily, those who
disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad (Peace
be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)
and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of
creatures. |
These themes saturate and inform Muhammad’s cult
document. Jews and Christians are
satanic enemies, who must be destroyed and who will in any event, be tormented
by Baal the moon deity, who is the Al Lah (Lord) of Mecca.
It is well
known that the smaller Suras, compiled during the early phase of Muhammad's
cult, were culled and plagiarized from the Kabaa shrine.
These verses are later re-assembled and infused with the usual litany of
Koranic-Muhammadan intolerance towards non-Moslems. It is worthwhile to note
two obvious facts.
First, Muhammad's attempt at gang organization in Mecca,
disguised as social 'reform' and concern for the 'poor', was a remarkable
failure. He was deemed to be a social agitator, hungry for power, illiterate,
quite stupid and probably insane. The Meccan elite had little patience for a
man who was condemning Arab pagan theology, and distorting if not obstructing
trade and money which flowed to the Meccan shrines from pilgrims and the pagan
faithful. Instead of killing him for generating social turbulence the Meccans
exiled him to Yathrib or Medina. A fateful mistake of course.
Second, Muhammad's lack of education, erudition and even
innovative ideas is reflected by his plagiarism of both pagan Arab poems and
ideas; and of Judeo-Christian tenets which he had picked up as a simple caravan
trader in Syria. Nothing Muhammad said or uttered was new or ethical. Most saw
through his thin veneer of 'social concern' to discern a brigand, a thug and a
political-military adventurer, one who would lead armies, butcher men with his
own hands, slaughter Jews, Christians and pagans, and engage in lurid sex
trafficking and the establishment of a personal harem – all the while bathing
in stolen gold and luxuries, and taxes for his Meccan cult centred around
Hub'Al, the Lord, or the Al-Lah.
The moon idol, Al-Lah did not create the Koran. Muhammad and
later generations of Arabs and Moslems did, each with a self-interested
purpose. The Hadiths for example were largely compiled by the Abbasids during a
civil war in the 9th century, some 200 years after the founder of
Submission had been murdered by his own men.
Of particular import to Moslem and Arab culture is the
random violence against non-cult members. The Koran is a merger of pagan Arab
mores with Muhammad's intolerance. In the last 21 smaller
verses of the cult document, there are 388 verses. Only
109 verses or 28%preach hate speech against the Infidel. Only
a cult document would contain such lurid hatred against Unbelievers. Examples
of hate speech verses from Sura 83 to 114 are:
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Woe, that Day, to those who
deny [(Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection,
and Al-Qadar (Divine Preordainments)]. |
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And none can deny it except
every transgressor beyond bounds, (in disbelief, oppression and disobedience
of Allah, the sinner!) |
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And shall enter a blazing
Fire, and made to taste its burning. |
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Some faces, that Day, will
be humiliated (in the Hell-fire, i.e. the faces of all disbelievers, Jews and
Christians, etc.). |
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Labouring (hard in the
worldly life by worshipping others
besides Allah), weary (in the Hereafter with humility and disgrace). |
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They will enter in the hot
blazing Fire, |
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They will be given to drink
from a boiling spring, |
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No food will there be for
them but a poisonous thorny plant, |
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Which will neither nourish
nor avail against hunger. |
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But those who disbelieved
in Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.),
they are those on the Left Hand (the dwellers of Hell). |
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The Fire will be shut over
them (i.e. they will be enveloped by the Fire without any opening or window
or outlet. |
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Tell me if he (the
disbeliever, Abu Jahl) denies (the truth, i.e. this Qur'an), and turns away? |
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Nay! If he (Abu Jahl)
ceases not, We will catch him by the forelock, |
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A lying, sinful forelock! |
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Then, let him call upon his
council (of helpers), |
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We will call the guards of
Hell (to deal with him)! |
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He will have his home in
Hawiyah (pit, i.e. Hell). |
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In pillars stretched forth
(i.e. they will be punished in the Fire with pillars, etc.). |
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Have you (O Muhammad (Peace
be upon him)) not seen how your Lord dealt with the Owners of the Elephant?
[The elephant army which came from Yemen under the command of Abrahah
Al-Ashram intending to destroy the Ka'bah at Makkah]. (note this was largely a Black-Christian
Ethiopian army) |
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Say (O Muhammad (Peace be
upon him)to these Mushrikun and Kafirun): "O Al-Kafirun (disbelievers in
Allah, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the
Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar, etc.)! |
The themes are simple-minded, fantastic, cultish and quite
repetitive:
2 ) Muhammad must be obeyed since the Al-Lah idol has designated Muhammad to be the most important human ever. Not to follow in-toto, Muhammad's diktat is a 'sin' perpetrated by 'criminals.
3 ) Al-Lah is the only free-will force in the entire universe. Humans only have the 'free will' to follow what he wants them to follow.
4) All Infidels including those importunate enough even to question Al-Lah [aka Muhammad] will be tortured in Hell-fire on Judgement Day.
5 ) Islam is superior to any other cult, religion or social organization [Sura 9-102:6, you keep your 'religion' and don't taint Islam with your dogma].
These themes are that of a cult, not a religion. Perhaps Moslems might first want to read the Koran to associate themselves with the pagan-fascist [communalism which eradicates the individual, rationality and free-will], cult of a man who was most likely quite insane.
Well over a century ago, in a debate over budget items, Churchill famously backtracked by calling the issue at hand, and its rather obvious mistake; a 'terminological inexactitude'. The last word is not even a word, but it denotes the obfuscation of the issue at hand. The premise of so much modern political bafflegab: 'We don't know really know, simply because a word can mean anything'...Lawyers are good with such verbiage, as are politicians desperate to keep their family business and guaranteed fortunes alive.
With Islam the same nonsense applies. 1600 verses of hate speech, violence and intolerance toward non Moslems exists in Mein Koran. Yet the brain dead Moslem and his apologist declare 'translational inexactitudes'. There are no mis-translations. The Koran in all its violent gibberish has been translated into Western tongues since the 10th century or even earlier. Mein Koran is simply Mein Koran. No 'problems' with churning Arabic to whatever language exist. Islam or submission is Jihadic, violent, aggressive, misogynist, racist, supremacist, stupid, incoherent, and ridiculous; no matter how hard you try to make it come out the opposite.
We should also add the poverty of the Moslem – Arabic [Islam is simply Arab imperialism]; translation of the Bible. Given that Mein Koran is 'superior' to the Bible, it is obvious, and stands to reason, that Moslems had little incentive to translate into their vernacular imperial language [Arabic] a true rendering of the Bible. Throughout history this arrogant, ignorant indifference by Moslems toward the Bible has manifested itself. Indeed, the Bible though inanely plagiarized and corrupted with in Mein Koran, was never given a tithe of study or investigation within Islam until modern times. No thorough and accurate copy of the Bible was made by Moslems until the 20th century.
However, the Western mind, alert, curious, practical, reasonable, coherent, did for 1000 years translate Mein Koran and in the modern era. Consider just the translations of Mein Koran to English. We have:
-George Sale's translation in 1734
-Rodwell 1861
-Palmer 1880
-Wherry 1882
-Khan, Moslem translation into English, 1905
-Hairat, Moslem translation into English, 1919
-Pickthal a converted English Moslem, 1930
-Yusuf Ali, Moslem translation into English, 1934
-Arberry 1955
-Mercier, 1956
-Dawood, 1974
Yusuf Ali's 1934 translation is the most famous, used and copied. However, the reader must know that Ali is a Moslem apologist, and he changes some verses to make the Quran look more benign. Ali also numbered the verses, which never appear in any of the ancient Koranic 'originals' [there are many Korans not just one]. I use the Ali Koran to produce the hate speech verses, so even Islam's greatest apologist, cannot cleanse what the book really states.
In some ways Ali serves a purpose. He is so obsessed with justifying his cult that he only proves its fascistic theology. His lies, adumbration, footnotes, additions and exaggerations are a raised flag to any objective seeker of truth about Islam. If Ali needs to amend, erase, or fabricate, what does that really say about his cult? When a cult lies, the answer is obvious. It is not what it purports to be. Islam is Islam. Mein Koran is Mein Koran. Jihad is Jihad. Yes Veronica or Aisha, Nazism was Nazism. Poor Ali, he must have known. But like most Moslems he was too blind and ignorant to care.